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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2942</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, just saw this now. What a stupid statement to make. Of course WP e-Commerce is GPL otherwise it wouldn&#039;t be in the repository. Check your facts before slinging mud next time please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, just saw this now. What a stupid statement to make. Of course WP e-Commerce is GPL otherwise it wouldn&#8217;t be in the repository. Check your facts before slinging mud next time please.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2941</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my oppinion people releasing their themes under the GPL license and then asking to keep their promotional footer links on their themes are totally wrong, the GPL license says nowhere that promotional links must be kept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my oppinion people releasing their themes under the GPL license and then asking to keep their promotional footer links on their themes are totally wrong, the GPL license says nowhere that promotional links must be kept.</p>
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		<title>By: Xyclops Software</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2940</link>
		<dc:creator>Xyclops Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue remains that if someone wants to redistribute a theme that I have developed, they can go as far as to change attribution to make it appear as though they have developed the theme.

My work comes mainly through people seeing the work I have done, contacting me and asking for something similar. I get paid for the hours I spend developing a custom solution, rather than reselling the same themes.

What I am concerned about is that the GPL makes it &lt;em&gt;legal&lt;/em&gt; for people to represent my work as their own (of course, they can&#039;t legally do so with the CSS, unless I explicitly release that as GPL too - though if I do not I can forget about exposure through WP itself).

I&#039;ll lose business because of this, and it sucks that I have no way to protect myself here - that in fact I have &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; of a way to protect myself than before.

I think community-driven, incremental development is a Good Thing. What I lament is that there is no way to defend against those who would seek to represent my work as their own, and effectively steal clients from me.

Of course, they could always do this before - it is trivial to edit a text file, after all. What sucks, to me, is that under the GPL this misrepresentation is legal. That doesn&#039;t sound right to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue remains that if someone wants to redistribute a theme that I have developed, they can go as far as to change attribution to make it appear as though they have developed the theme.</p>
<p>My work comes mainly through people seeing the work I have done, contacting me and asking for something similar. I get paid for the hours I spend developing a custom solution, rather than reselling the same themes.</p>
<p>What I am concerned about is that the GPL makes it <em>legal</em> for people to represent my work as their own (of course, they can&#8217;t legally do so with the CSS, unless I explicitly release that as GPL too &#8211; though if I do not I can forget about exposure through WP itself).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll lose business because of this, and it sucks that I have no way to protect myself here &#8211; that in fact I have <em>less</em> of a way to protect myself than before.</p>
<p>I think community-driven, incremental development is a Good Thing. What I lament is that there is no way to defend against those who would seek to represent my work as their own, and effectively steal clients from me.</p>
<p>Of course, they could always do this before &#8211; it is trivial to edit a text file, after all. What sucks, to me, is that under the GPL this misrepresentation is legal. That doesn&#8217;t sound right to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL If WP E Commerce was not GPL compliant, it wouldn&#039;t be available in the WordPress plugin repository. I think you are mistaken the paid for upgrades of the plugin as having to be GPL which they do not. Just the plugin itself has to be GPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL If WP E Commerce was not GPL compliant, it wouldn&#8217;t be available in the WordPress plugin repository. I think you are mistaken the paid for upgrades of the plugin as having to be GPL which they do not. Just the plugin itself has to be GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2938</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Themes MUST be GPL but plugins not, as further evidence of this double standard i direct you to http://automattic.com/services/wordpress-consultants/

You will find listed there a company called Instinct which produces the wp-commerce plugin which is most certainly not 100% GPL.

So lets see if we have this straight Matt: Themes must be GPL because they use code found within WordPress, but plugins do not EVEN though they too use code found within WordPress...???

Not only that but you will actively recommend them!!?? (Yes I know there is a disclaimer on the list saying its not a recommendation, but thats just semantics. In practice it IS a recommendation.)

Anyone else bothered by this blatant double standard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Themes MUST be GPL but plugins not, as further evidence of this double standard i direct you to <a href="http://automattic.com/services/wordpress-consultants/" rel="nofollow">http://automattic.com/services/wordpress-consultants/</a></p>
<p>You will find listed there a company called Instinct which produces the wp-commerce plugin which is most certainly not 100% GPL.</p>
<p>So lets see if we have this straight Matt: Themes must be GPL because they use code found within WordPress, but plugins do not EVEN though they too use code found within WordPress&#8230;???</p>
<p>Not only that but you will actively recommend them!!?? (Yes I know there is a disclaimer on the list saying its not a recommendation, but thats just semantics. In practice it IS a recommendation.)</p>
<p>Anyone else bothered by this blatant double standard?</p>
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		<title>By: Licensing is the vehicle, our users are the environment &#171; Web And Graphics Design Tutorials</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2937</link>
		<dc:creator>Licensing is the vehicle, our users are the environment &#171; Web And Graphics Design Tutorials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alembana</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2936</link>
		<dc:creator>Alembana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the statements carefully, you would have seen, that not all PHP files are automatically GPL’ed. Just write as example a own moster feed class inside a PHP file, and this class works completely outside the scope of WordPress too and could be integrated into any CMS system based on PHP.
With such a class only used by the Theme, this class is not automatically GPL’ed!
This is the same behavoir as for Javascript Libraries used in WP backend, they don’t get occupied into GPL whether WP is or not. They only been used and have nevertheless their own licence.
If your write a set of classes/files completely independend of WP you can license them as you wan’t it.
Doing so give you the ability that re-destribution of theme would require re-coding of those files or asking for a license to do so.
Sure, such a theme is not longer 100% GPL but it reserves also your legal properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the statements carefully, you would have seen, that not all PHP files are automatically GPL’ed. Just write as example a own moster feed class inside a PHP file, and this class works completely outside the scope of WordPress too and could be integrated into any CMS system based on PHP.<br />
With such a class only used by the Theme, this class is not automatically GPL’ed!<br />
This is the same behavoir as for Javascript Libraries used in WP backend, they don’t get occupied into GPL whether WP is or not. They only been used and have nevertheless their own licence.<br />
If your write a set of classes/files completely independend of WP you can license them as you wan’t it.<br />
Doing so give you the ability that re-destribution of theme would require re-coding of those files or asking for a license to do so.<br />
Sure, such a theme is not longer 100% GPL but it reserves also your legal properties.</p>
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		<title>By: Remba</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2935</link>
		<dc:creator>Remba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, why must you continue to sling mud around with Jason and I – it’s clear you have something against us, otherwise you wouldn’t make it a point to call us out any time you can. Here, on Twitter, or anywhere else you can stir it up.

Quite honestly I’m not going to play your game anymore – I tried discussing this on the phone with you, and it’s obvious you’re trying to prove something.

Be clear when you try to represent my point of view. As I’ve discussed many times, I know what the license allows and doesn’t. And I’m PERFECTLY entitled to say that people who take my themes, which I’ve worked 1000’s of hours on, and put it on a site and use MY BRAND to market themselves only to undercut me and misrepresent me to make a few bucks.

That doesn’t mean I want a different license, just saying that it sucks people have to work that way. And because you (or anyone else for that matter) isn’t having this happen to them, it’s very hard for me to believe that you’d be perfectly happy knowing that people are blatantly being unethical and taking money out of your pocket. (or as you call it, preventing money from going in.)

I’m all for redistribution and using my code to make a better product. I’ve never said otherwise, but do me a favor and stop running around and taking shots at us. It’s sad, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, why must you continue to sling mud around with Jason and I – it’s clear you have something against us, otherwise you wouldn’t make it a point to call us out any time you can. Here, on Twitter, or anywhere else you can stir it up.</p>
<p>Quite honestly I’m not going to play your game anymore – I tried discussing this on the phone with you, and it’s obvious you’re trying to prove something.</p>
<p>Be clear when you try to represent my point of view. As I’ve discussed many times, I know what the license allows and doesn’t. And I’m PERFECTLY entitled to say that people who take my themes, which I’ve worked 1000’s of hours on, and put it on a site and use MY BRAND to market themselves only to undercut me and misrepresent me to make a few bucks.</p>
<p>That doesn’t mean I want a different license, just saying that it sucks people have to work that way. And because you (or anyone else for that matter) isn’t having this happen to them, it’s very hard for me to believe that you’d be perfectly happy knowing that people are blatantly being unethical and taking money out of your pocket. (or as you call it, preventing money from going in.)</p>
<p>I’m all for redistribution and using my code to make a better product. I’ve never said otherwise, but do me a favor and stop running around and taking shots at us. It’s sad, really.</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress Themes are GPL and Chris Pearson still acting like a bully &#187; Mark Finch Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/final-word-on-wordpress-themes-and-the-gpl/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress Themes are GPL and Chris Pearson still acting like a bully &#187; Mark Finch Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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